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	<title>Comments on: First, a Hearty &#8220;Congratulations!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>by: steunenber</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Patrick,

what are you pessimistic about? I can understand quite a lot of irritation when you don't share the underlying assumption. But what exactly is your concern? 

Cheers,
Johan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patrick,</p>
<p>what are you pessimistic about? I can understand quite a lot of irritation when you don&#8217;t share the underlying assumption. But what exactly is your concern? </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />Johan
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		<title>by: Patrick Reames</title>
		<link>http://etrmcommunity.com/site/modules/wordpress/2008/11/05/first-a-hearty-congratulations/#comment-5745</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Johan,

I think the first phase of the European C&amp;T experience had a two characteristics that lead to huge profits for their energy companies:

1) Certificates were primarily awarded to GHG producers, which allowed them to pass on costs without having actually incurred those costs, and 
2) Certificates were, in many cases, overallocated, meaning little GHG reduction investment was required to meet targets 

Obama on the other hand has stated he wants a 100% auction of certificates and he wants the reduction goals to be so stringent that they will &quot;bankrupt&quot; anyone trying to build a coal fired generator.  As the US get about 50% of our power from &quot;traditional&quot; coal facilities, the costs to reduce the GHG emissions from those facilities, or to replace that capacity, in the next 30 years, much less the next 10, would be staggering.

You can hear Obama himself talking about it here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs

I don't want to be a pessimist here, but...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johan,</p>
<p>I think the first phase of the European C&#038;T experience had a two characteristics that lead to huge profits for their energy companies:</p>
<p>1) Certificates were primarily awarded to GHG producers, which allowed them to pass on costs without having actually incurred those costs, and <br />2) Certificates were, in many cases, overallocated, meaning little GHG reduction investment was required to meet targets </p>
<p>Obama on the other hand has stated he wants a 100% auction of certificates and he wants the reduction goals to be so stringent that they will &#8220;bankrupt&#8221; anyone trying to build a coal fired generator.  As the US get about 50% of our power from &#8220;traditional&#8221; coal facilities, the costs to reduce the GHG emissions from those facilities, or to replace that capacity, in the next 30 years, much less the next 10, would be staggering.</p>
<p>You can hear Obama himself talking about it here&#8230;<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs" target="_blank"><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs</a></a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be a pessimist here, but&#8230;
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		<title>by: steunenber</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, Patrick,

I would not worry that much about Obama. The european Cap &amp;#38; Trade has been very profitable for european utilities. It even does not prevent the german energy sector from planning many new coal powered plants.

The transition to alternative energies will most presumably change the electricity trading world. (And don't forget that pushing renewables will reduce the market price of CO2 certificates. One of the reasons that I'm against C&amp;#38;T-programs, whilst you don't need to worry)

Both will create  lots of work for seasoned ETRM professionals.

As for the 'real impact': If we believe in the market as a regulating instrument, the price is the lever for change. Of course people like Peter Barnes did propose ways of alleviating the impact. 

In a way, change happens always. Without change we would come to some equilibrium, meaning very small profits. And the energy industry surely can cope with change.

So, yes, congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Patrick,</p>
<p>I would not worry that much about Obama. The european Cap &amp; Trade has been very profitable for european utilities. It even does not prevent the german energy sector from planning many new coal powered plants.</p>
<p>The transition to alternative energies will most presumably change the electricity trading world. (And don&#8217;t forget that pushing renewables will reduce the market price of CO2 certificates. One of the reasons that I&#8217;m against C&amp;T-programs, whilst you don&#8217;t need to worry)</p>
<p>Both will create  lots of work for seasoned ETRM professionals.</p>
<p>As for the &#8216;real impact&#8217;: If we believe in the market as a regulating instrument, the price is the lever for change. Of course people like Peter Barnes did propose ways of alleviating the impact. </p>
<p>In a way, change happens always. Without change we would come to some equilibrium, meaning very small profits. And the energy industry surely can cope with change.</p>
<p>So, yes, congratulations.
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